There There by Tommy Orange

Cheyenne Native Indian Omar Al Akkar belonging identityThere There by Tommy Orange was lent to me by a friend and was a debut novel that made a significant splash when it was published in 2018. The author is a member of the Cheyenne and Arapaho Tribes of Oklahoma, born and raised in Oakland, California.

The Egyptian-Canadian novelist Omar Al Akkad who won the 2021 Scottiabank Giller Prize for his refugee tale What Strange Paradise, a book that examines the confluence of war, migration and a sense of settlement, raising questions of indifference and powerlessness, had this to say:

There There is a miraculous achievement, a book that wields ferocious honesty and originality in service of telling a story that needs to be told. This is a novel about what it means to inhabit a land both yours and stolen from you, to simultaneously contend with the weight of belonging and not belonging.”

The novel starts out with a two page very short summary of 12 characters, giving the reader a little information about each, but avoids anything that might be a spoiler in the stories to come. I liked having this summary there and I would go back to it each time I encountered those characters as they developed and as I became aware of what was being given and what was being held back for the reader to discover.

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The characterisation was excellent and I especially loved how the author built his female characters.

Jacquie kneeled in front of the minifridge. In her head she heard her mom say, “The spider’s web is a home and a trap.” And even though she never really knew what her mom meant by it, she’d been making it make sense over the years, giving it more meaning than her mom probably ever intended. In this case, Jacquie was the spider, and the minifridge was the web. Home was to drink. To drink was the trap.

There is an edge to the male characters and a tension that builds slowly over time that made their chapters harder to read.

The wound that was made when white people came and took all that they took has never healed. An unattended wound gets infected. Becomes a new kind of wound like the history of what actually happened became a new kind of history. All these stories that we haven’t been telling all this time, that we haven’t been listening to, are just part of what we need to heal.

The title ‘There There‘ has multiple references, the first being the name of a Radiohead song with the refrain, ‘just ’cause you feel it doesn’t mean its there’ and a Gertrude Stein quote ‘There is no there there’ referring to the place she’d grown up in that had changed so much, that there of her childhood, the there there, was gone.

The quote is important to Dene. This there there. He hadn’t read Gertrude Stein beyond the quote. But for Native people in this country, all over the America’s, it’s been developed over, buried ancestral land, glass and concrete and wire and steel, unreturnable covered memory. There is no there there.

As the novel builds, the connections between the characters and their journeys are revealed.

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All the characters are Native and the way they identify, their identity, their knowledge or lack of knowledge about who they are and how they are perceived, how they cope, how they live is central to the kaleidoscopic narrative, that builds up to the final chapters, when they will be present at the Big Oakland Powwow festival.

We made powwows because we needed a place to be together. Something intertribal, something old, something to make us money, something we could work toward, for our jewellery, our songs, our dances, our drum.

I enjoyed the character building, the reflections, the cultural insights and getting to know their stories more than the actual plot.

They used to call us sidewalk Indians. Called us citified, superficial, inauthentic, cultureless refugees, apples. An apple is red on the outside and white on the inside. But what we are is what our ancestors did. How they survived. We are the memories we don’t remember, which live in us, which we feel, which make us sing and dance and pray the way we do, feelings from memories that flare and bloom unexpectedly in our lives like blood through a blanket from a wound made by a bullet fired by a man shooting us in the back for our hair, for our heads, for a bounty, or to just get rid of us.

The first two thirds of the novel was for me a 5 star read, but the ending had me imagining alternative choices. And yet, it could be said that the ending was foretold, that the ancestral memory had carried forward and become so twisted, it turned on itself.

Make them look and act like us. Become us. And so disappear. But it wasn’t like that.

Further Reading

There There was nominated for the Pultizer Prize (2019) and National Book Award (2018), won the PEN/Hemingway Foundation Award (2019) and was one of the New YorkTimes 10 best books of the year.

It was almost nominated for the Dublin Literary Award 2020 by 13 different international libraries.

Have you read There There? Share your thoughts below.

17 thoughts on “There There by Tommy Orange

  1. I read this shortly after the NYT named it one of the year’s best. I thought it was fantastic, even though I read it under less than ideal conditions (lots of stop & go, which made it harder to keep up with the characters). It’s definitely on my list for a re-read (don’t do this too often with contemporary fiction) and Tommy Orange is now one of the authors whose work I’ll automatically check out.
    Thanks for the review, which has made me remember just how good this novel is!

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    • Thank you for sharing your experience of it, I read it over a weekend, so that helped make it easier to keep track of the characters and also the referral to the list at the front. As I mention in the review, for some reason it was easier to connect the female characters to each other, perhaps because there was more of an emotional depth to them, I guess I’m still reflecting on that. I hope you get to reread it and yes, it will be interesting to see his next work, a very talented writer and observer for sure.

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  2. I really enjoyed this one, and your wonderful review. I also found the characters and histories well done. It was a tough ending but one I feel I understood. It captures the marginalization and attempts to cling to cultural relevance well, and reminded me of our abhorrent past behavior with so many groups of people.

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    • Thank you Carmel, I can always rely on you to bring a reflective perspective on the challenging ending, those scenes that force us to look at the consequence and madness of a blood soaked past. And yet, when it is the dominant race doing the killing, the presentation is most often heroic, righteous. We are only just beginning to turn those tables and witness the stories told from the other side. We are hungry for it.


  3. This is a novel that’s been in my radar for a while. I bought a copy and your review is bound to move it up a notch in my TBR list. On another note, I recently reread ‘Corregidora,’ which I first read when it was first published. I found it even more powerful second time around. I know you reviewed it a few months ago and just wanted to share my thoughts here.

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    • So lovely to hear from you Deborah, I think you will appreciate There There when you get to it.

      ‘Corregidora’ is an incredible novel, I’m so grateful to have read it in a group read (Read Women on GR) if you have access to that discussion I recommend reading through the comments. I definitely got much more out of it from having had the input of other readers, some of whom were also rereading. I have Eva’s Man to read soon and also The Healing, I’m looking forward to reading all three, since they seem to warrant reading together.


  4. This is one that I really enjoyed as well. I think the way the narrative threads coalesce is deftly handled and it’s one of those cases where, at the end, I immediately felt compelled to reread to examine that structure more closely and, yet, I had another reason (which those who’ve read it know well) to want to look away instead. For a lighter touch with intertwined booklength narratives that depict Indigenous communities, I recommend Dawn Dumont and for this kind of propulsive storytelling (but more straightforward structure and fewer voices, between one and three) Cherie Dimaline is also very interesting.


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